Automation Ladies hosts Nikki Gonzales and Ali G bring on Paul Godines, founder of Logix Trainers, to examine how hands-on simulation is changing automation training. In this episode, Godines breaks down the skills gap in automation, the importance of ISA 95’s structured learning model, and how simulation platforms can give aspiring technicians genuine experience before they touch real hardware.
Identifying and Bridging the Automation Skills Gap
Paul Godines points out that the manufacturing and automation industries face a real challenge: there are not enough trained technicians and engineers to meet rapidly growing demands. Many enter the field with enthusiasm but encounter limited training structures and few opportunities for true, practical experience. According to Godines, “We do not have those bridges that we need, in my opinion, to make that happen. These young entry level technicians are going to struggle, hopefully not as much as I did, but they're going to struggle. Thus was the seed for Logix trainers.” The goal is to ensure that new hires don’t enter jobs without the skills or tenacity required to thrive.
Godines draws on his own experience of entering the field late—learning control panel wiring in his late 30s with minimal knowledge—and highlights how many new technicians today face the same sink-or-swim situations. By sharing real stories of struggle and growth, the episode underscores the need for better, accessible, and structured training opportunities.
The ISA-95 Model: Building a Structured Approach to Learning
Nikki Gonzales asks Godines to clarify the ISA 95 model, which he says guides the industry by outlining four key levels of manufacturing systems: starting at Level 0 (devices) through programming (Level 1), supervisory controls (Level 2), and business systems (Levels 3-4). Godines explains, “Level zero means I have to be able to walk in, and hook up to the to a VFD, set up all the configuration, the IP addresses... Without having the ability to have a VFD in front of you, our ability to learn how to do that as an entry level technician is we watch videos. The next thing that's gonna happen is somebody's gonna throw them into the real world and they're supposed to somehow struggle their way through trying to figure this out.”
The ISA 95 model’s stepwise approach helps mentors and employers gauge where a technician sits on the skills ladder and where they need development. By stressing structured progression, Godines hopes to move away from “trial by fire” and toward a clear set of skills and experiences for each level.
Simulation-Based Training: Closing the Experience Gap
Godines details how simulation-based platforms, like those offered by Logix Trainers, give learners the chance to “practice” with the closest possible feel to real hardware and software. “We simulate Studio 5,000. We simulate the connected components, and we simulate the hardware. So, basically, through one of our trainings, somebody can take a training. There's no hardware, no software, no licenses, nothing. You just use a browser.” These simulations aren’t simply demonstrations—they require correct action, such as setting trends, toggling device settings, and practicing hands-on troubleshooting.
The impact is immediate: users gain muscle memory and confidence before stepping onto the plant floor, better preparing them for real-world challenges and increasing the likelihood that their skills will match employers’ needs. Godines adds, “Videos, interactive sim v, interactive simulation, I. Skills application, where you can get your hands on the real software somewhere. Right? And then, of course, some sort of apprenticeship, some sort of mentorship.” This hybrid approach—combining videos, simulations, hands-on work, and real-world mentorship—promises to produce professionals who are not only knowledgeable but prepared for the daily realities of automation jobs.
Key Quote From The Episode
“There's got to be a better way. We struggle too much. The new guys are coming up is is struggling such I mean, I'll tell you this much. The biggest here's what I tell people. I... I've always said the one thing I can't give you is the desire. You gotta want it. I can give you everything else. I can't I can't give you the one.” – Paul Godines
Key Takeaways
(00:08:32) Paul Godines describes the need for better bridges between entry-level technicians and the skills required in the field.
(00:11:44) The ISA 95 model is highlighted as a smart way to structure training from device-level learning up to enterprise systems.
(00:13:20) Simulation-based training can deliver realistic, hands-on experience to learners without access to expensive hardware and software.
(00:15:03) Combining videos, interactive simulations, and practical experience can help new technicians and engineers truly prepare for the workforce.
Wrap Up
By spotlighting the struggle of new automation professionals and the lack of structured training, this discussion emphasizes why hands-on simulation and structured models like ISA 95 make a difference. The manufacturing sector will only continue to grow, and its future depends on solving the training bottleneck. For readers, consider seeking out or advocating for simulation-based training in your own workplace, or connecting with groups like Logix Trainers for guidance. Employers should evaluate their internal training paths and supplement with hands-on simulations to ensure readiness. Individuals entering the field should ask how much realistic, practical experience is embedded into their training, and seek out opportunities for direct and practical learning before day one on the job.
About the Guest
Paul Godines is the founder of Logix Trainers and brings nearly four decades of manufacturing experience, from frontline supervision to electrical and controls engineering. Driven by his own tough introduction to the industry, he is dedicated to building practical, accessible simulation-based training solutions that give newcomers real-world confidence and skills.
